Dear
Viny,
Thank
you for your response. I think you really "got" how I was
feeling when I wrote my question. It's so nice to have someone who
might understand where I'm coming from.
Since I first wrote - I'm happy to say that my LTR is a bit more receptive to hanging out as a trio. He seems more willing to hang out when the mood strikes, rather than timing it after some arbitrary number of days.
We talked a bit further and he's alright if I meet with the new guy without him (if he's not feeling it, or if he's busy, or for any reason really) though he asked that we do not have any physical contact outside of greeting each other. I'm willing to agree to this in hopes of illustrating my loyalty to him and trustworthiness, though I do hope this might change over time.
I've also communicated to my LTR that I would be fine if the two of them hung out without me. And I gave express consent for them to be physical (anything that we've already done so far as a trio for now) provided they're both safe and honest with me. His response was maybe a bit surprised. I'm not sure how likely he is to take me up on that, though I encouraged him and explained that I would enjoy hearing about the experience after the fact.
Since I first wrote - I'm happy to say that my LTR is a bit more receptive to hanging out as a trio. He seems more willing to hang out when the mood strikes, rather than timing it after some arbitrary number of days.
We talked a bit further and he's alright if I meet with the new guy without him (if he's not feeling it, or if he's busy, or for any reason really) though he asked that we do not have any physical contact outside of greeting each other. I'm willing to agree to this in hopes of illustrating my loyalty to him and trustworthiness, though I do hope this might change over time.
I've also communicated to my LTR that I would be fine if the two of them hung out without me. And I gave express consent for them to be physical (anything that we've already done so far as a trio for now) provided they're both safe and honest with me. His response was maybe a bit surprised. I'm not sure how likely he is to take me up on that, though I encouraged him and explained that I would enjoy hearing about the experience after the fact.
Anyways.
We're all doing our best I think. I'm reading a lot – Nonviolent
Communication, Opening Up, and The Ethical Slut (my least favorite so
far) to help me explore this. At the very least, I'm learning a lot
about myself and my relationship with everyone around me.
The
unknown is very confusing and exciting.
– Wants More
– Wants More
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Dear Wants,
It's
lovely to hear from you again. I am glad your conversations with your
LTR partner have been productive, and that you feel like you're learning
a lot. Yes, you are absolutely right: striking out into unknown
territory can be simultaneously scary and exhilarating.
As
someone who has been wandering around in uncharted regions
of Alternative Relationship Land for quite some time now, I want to warn you about a particularly treacherous cliff located in
Concessions Canyon, because I'm worried you
may
be headed straight for it.
I
understand why you've agreed to your partner's request that you and
the new guy not have any physical contact outside of greeting each
other. However, I am here to tell you that when you have a major
crush on a guy, and he has a major crush on you, and you're hanging
out alone together on a regular basis, but you're not supposed to get
physical
with each other, because one of you has promised your jealous partner
that you won't, one of two things is going to happen: 1) you are
going to start resenting the hell out of the person who has hobbled
your hot-to-trot hooves, and/or 2) someone's resolve is going to
slip.
Situation
#1 has happened to me. I actually spent an entire sleepless night
lying chastely next to someone I desperately wanted to be squished
by, or glommed onto, or tangled up with – and why? Because I had
promised
my boyfriend I'd
keep it platonic with
this other person.
I did manage to keep my promise,
but I ended up losing the relationship I thought I was protecting by
making that promise. Take-home lesson: resentment is highly toxic to
romance and mutual regard.
Situation
#2 has happened to more than one friend of mine. Here's an example.
Person A and person B were in a long-term and somewhat troubled
marriage. Person C, who was good friends with A, began talking to
both A and B, in an attempt to help them resolve their marital issues
with each other. A, B, and C had long telephone conversations
together – which had an unintended consequence: C and B became more
and more emotionally intimate with each other. Soon,
C and B were
talking
on the phone together, just the two of them. Then
they
began falling in love, long-distance. Person A quite
naturally
became jealous, and put the kibosh on “duo” phone time for C and
B, making them both promise not to talk to each other unless it was
an ABC trio conversation. They promised. Then A promptly lost
interest in having group conversations. After two weeks, C and B,
miserable and jonesing, couldn't stand being
out of contact any longer.
They snuck in a private phone call, late at night – which A found
out about. And that was the end of A and B. It was also the end of A
and C. Take-home lesson: Concession + Betrayal = Alimony.
It
is a well-known fact that prohibiting an activity increases its
allure. It is also a well-known fact that people in the thrall of NRE
(new
relationship energy) want
nothing more than to jam their dirty little fingers into that
electrifying socket, if you catch my drift. And finally, it is a
well-known fact that someone who is on the lookout for reasons to
distrust you is gonna find them, every time. For these reasons, I am
concerned that your present agreement is a set-up for failure.
I
recommend that you establish a time frame for revisiting the
agreement
about limiting
the physical
contact between you and the new guy outside of the trio context.
Unfortunately, your LTR partner
probably
doesn't have a lot of incentive to have
that
conversation, so it may be a bit tricky to set it up – which is
why, for
future reference,
I suggest you include an expiration date, or “sunset clause,” any
time you make an agreement you are hoping will be temporary. In other
words, you make sure, up front, that the agreement is understood to
expire after a certain length of time, unless and
until you
agree to renew it for another specified length of time. I
strongly believe that a sunset clause should be part of any agreement
that feels like a concession to jealousy.
Let's
say your partner says, “I'm okay with you eating apple slices, as
long as you promise never to put any peanut butter on them.” And
you are super excited about apple slices. In fact, you are so excited
about them, you are willing to forgo peanut butter, even though you
suspect that apple slices with peanut butter would be really, really
amazing, given what you know about celery sticks with peanut butter.
So you say, “Okay, I can promise not to put any peanut butter on my
apple slices for the next three weeks. After that, though, I am going
to assume I am free to do as I like, unless you specifically tell me
you need more time to get used to the idea of me slathering my apple
slices in gooey deliciousness.”
Without
a sunset
clause,
you see, the jealous partner has no incentive to revisit the
agreement, and the partner who hopes to get permission, eventually,
for a dab of peanut butter will wait and hope, and wait
and hope – probably in vain. Setting up an agreement that
automatically expires on
a given date
changes
the incentive structure: now, it's the jealous partner who must
initiate the difficult conversation, if s/he wants the agreement
extended.
If you've already stepped off of the cliff in Concessions Canyon, and you're hanging onto an itty bitty twig, going, "Now she tells me," I'm really sorry. Here's a virtual hand up.
Mandates & Mandrills,
Viny
This is SO good.
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