I returned from the Oregon Country Fair yesterday afternoon, after five days with no email access, and was partly relieved and partly disappointed to find that my ninety-seven unread emails did not include any burning questions for Viny. Relieved, because I leave tomorrow for California, and I knew I didn't have the time to answer any complicated questions today; disappointed, because having to respond to someone motivates me (and produces better writing, too, I think).
But since blog maintenance is the last un-checked item on my to-do checklist for today, I am damn well gonna post before midnight strikes and I turn into some lesser-known cultivar of cucurbita pepo.
So, here are a half-baked half-dozen topics/ideas I have been thinking about, some of which I might expand upon at some point. (Feel free to weigh in -- using the Blogger Contact Form to the right, or by commenting on this post -- if you have a favorite topic in this list, or you have another topic to suggest!)
1. Who counts as "family" and "extended family" (vs., say, "friend of the family") among people who are open about being in open relationships?
2. Now that the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled in favor of marriage equality, I find myself thinking that the whole concept of government-sanctioned domestic relationships has got to go.
3. I don't consider myself an exhibitionist, and in fact I'd always assumed that having an audience during sex would be very inhibiting for me, but when Cam and I went to a sex club recently, I discovered that I enjoyed having sex in public. Who knew? Yay for finding out new things about one's sexuality!
4. My last two posts (and also this post from 2013) have addressed the topic of how difficult it can be to find people to date when you're already in a relationship -- particularly an open one. (The "secret affair" makes sense to the monogamous mainstream; they'd sooner date a cheater than a person who identifies as ethically non-monogamous, it seems.) Moreover, heterosexual dating is more difficult for poly men than poly women, on average: but is that just a reflection of the larger hetero dating culture, or are poly men at a greater disadvantage than single men? Does the gender imbalance equalize as people age?
5. Transition ceremonies -- are they useful? (Relationships go through transitions; people go through transitions; the only constant is change, right?) What is the function of ceremony, anyway?
6. This one is kind of "meta" (and maybe not interesting except to people like me, who draw from private experience in order to cultivate a public persona), but when is it appropriate to share someone else's private story in a public forum? One answer is "only when you have the person's express permission." Another might be, "only when there are no identifying details." But I'm not sure I'm totally satisfied with those answers. Is information a kind of personal property? If you share it with someone, doesn't it become theirs, also? (I'm not talking about a story shared in confidence -- that's kind of like a nude picture sent via personal text/email, shared under the condition that it remain private: in that case, making the "information" public would be violating an agreement.) What about an experience that involves several people, including oneself, and some people are fine with the story being shared and some people are not -- is silence always the best default setting?
Signing off now & heading bedward. Check, check, check!
Tuesday, July 14, 2015
Tuesday, July 7, 2015
My Boyfriend Can't Get a Date, and I'm Tired of Talking about It
Dear Viny,
I've been with my boyfriend for a few years, but we've only been in a poly relationship for about a year. I've had a vast range of outside relationships, but unfortunately he doesn't have as much luck with the ladies as he would like. Constantly feeling pent up and frustrated, he turns to me to vent and ask advice. I really want to be there for him, since he's been there for me, but it's become difficult for me to participate in these pessimistic conversations. I'm not sure what to say to him, half feeling like we may need space and also hoping things will improve on their own.
Regards,
A.
***
Dear
A.,
I
hear you on this one, sister. One of the most challenging periods of
my marriage occurred after
I got together with my first serious boyfriend but before
my husband got together with his first serious girlfriend. Our
relationship dynamic during that time was very much like what you've
described in your letter: my husband, feeling frustrated and
discouraged, turned to me for sympathy, advice, and reassurance; and
I, feeling concerned but
also annoyed
and resentful,
did my best to meet his needs – and utterly failed to fix his
problem.
If
I were giving advice to your boyfriend, I would probably say things
like, “Approach dating from the perspective of what you have to
give
to others, not what you hope to get
from them,” or, “Try putting yourself into situations where you
will meet other people in a setting that brings you joy, and just be
open to interacting, without specific expectations,” or, “Stop
fucking wallowing
already – don't you know it's super unattractive?!”
Those are all
things
I told
my husband during his woe-is-me phase, but none of them made one
sniffly sniglet of a difference. It was almost like he was determined
to feel bad about himself. And then a miraculous thing happened:
somehow, he ended up crushing on someone who returned his affections.
He was thrilled, as you might imagine, flooded with feel-good juice –
which made him much more fun to be around. And suddenly, all sorts of
women began suggestively sashaying out of the woodwork. I remember
going to a party with him around this time: no fewer than three women
remarked, in breathy tones, on how good-looking my husband was, and
one of them (after imbibing too much holiday punch) literally backed
him into a corner and attempted to make
out with him.
It was pretty
ironic:
the second he stopped needing more attention from women, he began
getting it. Desirability is strange in that way. It's the people who
are most deep-down convinced of their own attractiveness who are most
attractive to others.
So,
what to do when you're stuck in the negative version of that loop?
What recourse do you have when you fear you're not sexy enough, you
don't have what it takes, and – worst of all – you know
that
other people can sense your insecurity, because it stinks like skunk
stew?
You
step out of the loop, that's
what.
You stop evaluating yourself based
on what
you
think others
think of you, and you
get
to work on doing what you need to do in
order to
think more highly of yourself. You
focus on
self-improvement for
your
own
sake.
Sure,
you can always pray
for a prince or princess who is looking for a diamond in the rough, a
lover who
is willing to mine the whine, as it were, but such reprieves are
rare. What's more, the magical
boost
in self-esteem caused by another's positive regard is only temporary.
After my husband and his first girlfriend broke up, he was right back
where he started – except that he had learned a
very
important lesson: self-acceptance can only come from within.
I
could say a lot more about this, but your boyfriend isn't the one
asking for my advice, and your issue isn't really that you don't know
what to say to him. Your issue is that
you
have allowed his
problem to
become
your problem. This
wouldn't be so bad if the solution were in your hands, but it isn't.
He has to solve this one on his own. On
some level, you know this, and it's making you crazy: you're waiting
for him to get his shit together, so you can both enjoy your lives,
but you're beginning to despair. You feel powerless and put-upon.
It's like
he's holding you hostage. You think to yourself, “This is totally
unfair! Why do I have to feel bad, just because he's feeling bad?”
– and then a wave of guilt crashes over you, and you think, “This
is totally unfair! Surely I, who have so much, can muster up a bit of
compassion for someone with less?”
Does
this resonate? If so, I have some bad news: there is no such thing as
perfect parity – in any relationship, poly or otherwise. A “fair”
is for the pigs. Life's a bitch, and then you die. Et cetera. But
I have some
good
news, too:
you
do not need to fix your boyfriend's problem in order to feel better.
You only need to fix your
problem. And your
problem
is a simple boundary issue.
I
say “simple,” but I know very well how difficult it is to deal
with boundary issues. I'm still learning how to walk the tightrope of
interdependence without falling into codependence. Nevertheless, I
would like to share with you one fail-safe way to tell whether you
are maintaining healthy emotional boundaries: when
you get drawn into a conversation about someone else's problems, ask
yourself, “Am I experiencing feelings of anger or fear or anxiety
right now?” If the answer is yes, then
you are interpreting the situation as a threat to your autonomy, and
any empathy you may feel will be swamped by your desire to protect
yourself against the unwelcome intrusion of the other.
True
compassion cannot be forced. You
cannot be shamed or guilted or manipulated into empathizing with
another person's plight. When
you give of
yourself, you must give freely, or it isn't a gift: empathy
born out of a sense of duty
arrives
freighted with resentment,
obligating
the receiver to seem
grateful – and,
interestingly, true
gratitude cannot be forced, either.
This
may seem counter-intuitive, but your
ability to be there for your boyfriend actually
hinges
on your ability to separate yourself from him and
his problems.
Yes, A., you are absolutely
correct:
you need space.
My hope is that you can create
that
space without having
to distance yourself from someone
you
love.
Knickknacks
& Piggybacks,
Viny
Tuesday, June 30, 2015
My Wife's Boyfriend Wants Her to Be Monogamous -- With Him!
Dear
Viny,
I'm
married in an open/poly way. Actually my wife and I had together a
girlfriend in the past (but it didn't work out so well). She still
has (kind of) a boyfriend. The thing I'm bothered about is the fact
that he wants to go monogamous with her. I've already told her to talk
to him and explain that that will never be possible, but she likes
him very much. I, on the other hand, don't have currently a
girlfriend or a fixed partner. Actually I can go out with girls, but
I can't seem to find any girl interested in joining an existing open
relationship (we live in Berlin, Germany). Also, to make matters
worse, I tend to fall in love easily with the girls I go out with,
only to painfully find out later that they never even considered
anything serious to be possible with me. My question is: how to
handle such a relationship and such expectations? I'd appreciate if
you could help me.
–
D.
***
Dear
D.,
Although
you have asked a general question – you want to know how you and
your wife can maintain a committed open relationship, given that the
people in your dating pool seem to simply assume that any serious relationship
entails sexual exclusivity – I would like to begin with the three
specific concerns you mention.
Concern
#1: Your wife's 'kind-of' boyfriend wants her to be monogamous with
him, and you have told her to tell him this isn't possible, “but
she likes him very much.” Whoa, wait a minute: what?! Is
your wife actually entertaining the idea of ending her sexual
relationship with you, so as to give this other guy what he wants? Or
is she merely hoping to string him along, because she is worried that
saying a firm “no” to monogamy with him will mean the end of their
relationship? I would suggest that the first thing you do is get
clear on why your wife is resisting this much-needed
talk with her boyfriend. The foundation of every successful
relationship is mutual trust and respect. And, in my opinion, trust
and respect is best fostered by being who you say you are. If your
wife would be willing to change the parameters of her relationship
with you in order to please her boyfriend, then she needs to tell you
so. If, on the other hand, she is not willing to change the
parameters of her relationship with you, then she needs to be upfront
with her boyfriend about where she stands. She cannot hope to have a
healthy relationship with either of you unless she understands her
own priorities and is willing to be honest about them.
Concern
#2: You can't find anyone who is interested in joining an existing open
relationship. Well, my friend, join the club! And by that, I mean the
club my boyfriend and I went to a couple of weeks ago, where we
spotted a coltish beauty dressed up as a unicorn, horn and all. (We
assumed, of course, that her costume was a deliberate advertisement
to couples searching for that rarest of beasts: the hot bi babe whose
sole ambition in life is to be a third wheel on the Tricycle of
Love.) Seriously, though, “we can't find someone who wants to date
both of us” is a very common
complaint among couples in open marriages. There are different
philosophies about how to deal with this problem, but I think
relationships should be allowed to develop organically. The
successful triads I know all formed in one of three ways: either one
member of a couple formed an intimate relationship with a third
person, who then, over time, became closer to the other member of the
couple; or an open couple and a single person started out as friends
only, and eventually, with no pressure from the couple whatsoever,
the single person became curious enough to ask about exploring
something more; or two couples got together and one person dropped
out of the quad. Remember, relationships between three individuals
are four times more complicated than relationships between two
people [A+B, A+C, B+C, and A+B+C vs. simply A+B], and therefore they
take more time to develop and require more time to maintain. I think
it's unwise to go looking for someone who is ready to sign up for a
serious relationship with a couple without some pre-existing intimacy
– either romantic intimacy with one member of the couple, or
friendly intimacy with both. If you did manage to find such a person,
the relationship would be unlikely to work out in the long run.
Concern
#3: You keep getting your heart broken, because you are looking for
love from the women you date, and the women you date are merely
looking for a good time. In other words, what you want doesn't match
up with what they want. So, I have to ask you: what are you doing to
communicate your hopes, desires, and expectations to the women you go
out with, and what are you doing to encourage them to communicate
theirs to you? Do you present your situation accurately, or are you
being misleading? Yes, I get it that nothing screams “Fun!” like a
two-hour conversation about relationship expectations. I'm not
suggesting that you bring your NVC manual and a talking stick on every first date. I'm suggesting that you hold off on falling
in love with people until you get to know each other well enough to
have a real conversation about what each of you is looking for.
(Okay, maybe you can't hold off on falling in love – but you can
hold off on developing
expectations about exactly where the relationship is going to go, and
try to just enjoy what is there, even if it isn't everything you're
hoping it might turn out to be. The problem is that you are becoming
attached to a certain outcome before you know whether that outcome is
even possible.)
Now,
to answer the question you asked. There is a
simple solution to your dilemma, but it's not a quick fix. It will
take time and patience and an unwavering commitment to showing up as
your real self in all your relationships.
Are
you ready? Here it is: restrict your dating pool to people who
already identify as non-monogamous. It may be more difficult for you
and your wife to find such people where you live, but I'm pretty sure
it can be done. Berlin
is a large city in a generally progressive country, and I would be
surprised indeed if there weren't at least a dozen like-minded folks
within a dozen kilometers of where you live. Your best chance of
finding them is by being open about being open. If that is not a risk
you are willing to take, try selectively expanding your social
circle. Work on making new friends who are more open to the idea of
open relationships. I hear the Internet is a great place to meet
people who are pre-selected to share a specific interest of yours: if
geocachers and rat fanciers and HAM radio enthusiasts can find each
other online, so can poly people! Dating sites that cater to people
in alternative relationships, or at least that do not require you to
be single in order to have a profile on their site, are especially
useful in this regard. I met many of my current poly friends via
OKCupid. Even though I had an active profile for only a few months,
several years back, I got to know some great people during that
period of time – and since then, those people have introduced me to
other great people (some of whom they
originally met on OKCupid).
Good luck! If it helps to imagine me here on the west coast of the USA, shaking my virtual pom-poms and cheering you on, please feel free.
Shnuppdiwupp & Alioop,
Viny
Tuesday, June 23, 2015
Open Relationships and Sustainability (A Little Intro to a Big Topic)
Someone recently asked me what I thought needed to
be said that isn't already being said on the topic of open
relationships, and I immediately said, “Sustainability.”
I went on to explain that I see a troubling
polarization in the discourse on alternative relationships. On
the one hand, we have Esther Perel's
argument in Mating in
Captivity,
which is basically that if
we value the
institution of marriage, we
need to re-think our expectations around sexual fidelity;
on the other hand, we have Laura Kipnis's polemic Against
Love,
which
calls into question the whole idea of relationship maintenance as a
worthy goal. It's
either
couple
privilege or
it's solo poly.
Do
you want structure, stability, and commitment? Then you're looking at
a slightly modified version of what already exists the world over: a
primary couple, with maybe some extra-marital satellites, who
are allowed to orbit only so long as they do not exert too much
gravitational pull.
Do you want freedom, fluidity, and self-sufficiency? Then you need to
embrace the real truth, which is, to
quote a Sharon Olds poem, the “single body alone in the universe /
against its own best time.”
Maybe it's all that deconstructionist philosophy I
had to read in grad school, but I am suspicious of forced choices. I
don't want to pick A or B. I'm looking for a third way. I wonder if
there's such a thing as Relationship Permaculture?
This is too big a topic to get into right now, one hour before a dinner-and-a-movie date, so I'm gonna bookmark this idea and get back to it later.
Tuesday, June 16, 2015
Singing the Open Relationship "Expert" Blues, Just Slightly Off-Key
I spent a rather
large portion of the day today texting back and forth with various
people about an upcoming birthday celebration for a partner's
ex-partner (who is still an intimate friend of his). Do you want to
know a great recipe for Completely Unnecessary Drama? Here it is: mix
together five people's schedules, and five people's venue
preferences, and five people's communication styles; then blend in a
truly dizzying array of dyadic dynamics, one at a time, stirring
constantly; and finally, top with grated old resentments and a dollop
of fresh jealousy.
Yum, yum. Does
anyone want fries with that?
Whenever I have a
day like this, I feel a little bit silly about having set myself up
as a relationship advice columnist. Although I have fifty years of
experience in long-term relationships – nine more years than I've
been alive, even! – I still regularly run into situations where I
don't know what the hell I'm doing. Relationships are complicated.
Open relationships are even more complicated. And I am not remotely
perfect, or even perfectly poised about my many imperfections.
What does all of
this mean? It means that there is no way I'm ever going to get
everything right. The best I can be will never be as good as I wish I
were. But it'll just have to do.
So today, I'm
feeling great fondness for all my fellow strugglers and stragglers
out there: if you are earnestly engaged in the messy process of doing
your best, but you're feeling a bit down right now, this one's for
you.
Tuesday, June 9, 2015
More on Polyamory and Parenting: Exploring Some Possible Drawbacks
Dear Viny,
I read your post on poly and parenting a while back, and I'm writing because I hope there is room here for a real discussion about the possible drawbacks to raising kids in this setting. The truth is, while being poly is vital to my current well-being, I'm not so sure it's great for my little kid. There are the obvious extra time demands. But also, I think it can be detrimental to kids to have adults shifting in and out of their lives and homes. I say that as someone who experienced discomfort in childhood around partners of my (divorced) parents I didn't like.
I always thought I'd be the type of poly parent to be building long-term relationships involving the intertwining of families, and I didn't understand people who kept their relationships separate. After my non-primary partner and I broke up recently, I began to respect that choice more. I have this amazing photo of my 2 y.o., smiling widely, hugging my ex-partner tightly. It was taken less than a week before he initiated our break up. I am pretty haunted by that photo. I'm not blaming my ex for anything (he is an awesome person); I'm pointing out that I didn't fully understand what I was getting into when I involved my kid socially in my relationships.
Obviously, issues that are difficult for kids can pop up in any kind of relationship; poly isn't special that way. But, because poly relationships are under such scrutiny, and we feel we need to be protective and defensive and rah rah rah about them, we don't always explore the negatives. I'm not asking you for advice. I'm just wondering what your perspective is.
– Considering the Cons
***
Dear Considering,
I have an eighteen-year-old son who is getting ready to move out at the end of the summer. Whether he goes to the University of Oregon (the parent-approved Plan A) or finds a job that pays well enough that he can afford to rent an apartment with his girlfriend (the not-yet-discussed, not-so-appealing-to-his-parents Plan B), we've got another three months with him, at most. We'll still see him regularly, no doubt, but in a very real sense, we'll be letting him go.
And man, am I ever going to miss him.
Maybe because I am reaching the end of full-time, functional parenting with my son, I have been feeling nostalgic and contemplative, thinking a lot about what I have learned over the course of his childhood. What went well? What do I wish I could do over, and how would I do it differently the second time around? Questions like these aren't purely hypothetical, in my case: I also have a seven-year-old daughter. So I appreciate this timely opportunity to tackle the topic of poly parenting again, this time focusing on the possible negatives.
I do agree with you that there are cons – some of them considerable – to raising children in a poly context. And I think you've put your finger on two of the biggies: 1) parents who are trying to maintain multiple intimate adult relationships probably end up with less time for their children; and 2) poly households may be less stable, overall, because more people often means more chaos. I also think that there are cons you didn't mention in your letter, such as the possibility that children with poly parents will experience difficulty reconciling the different, and often discordant, messages they receive about love and relationships from parents, peers, extended family, and the wider culture.
I have to tell you, though, that my own personal list of parental regrets does not include anything very poly-specific. I wish I hadn't been afraid to let my son co-sleep with us as a baby. I wish I had been more patient with him as a small child. I wish I had been better about giving him permission to express his emotions, even when those emotions were hugely inconvenient for me. I wish I had involved him in more body-centered activities that he might have enjoyed, instead of giving up when he didn't immediately take to soccer. I wish I had paid more attention, been more fully present, when he used to prattle on about Bionicles or Legos or Bugdom or Harry Potter or Magic (the card game), or any of his other childhood obsessions, even though his monologues made my eyes glaze over and my brain go numb. Sometimes I think I might have been better able to focus on Denali and his interests if I hadn't been so distracted by my own interests, and it is definitely true that adult relationships have been a huge interest of mine. But I suspect that the real problem was my youthful self-absorption (I was only 22 when I gave birth to Denali), rather than polyamory per se.
I do often wonder what lessons – positive and negative – my son has learned from watching me and my husband interact, both with each other and with our other long-term partners. And I wonder how those lessons will manifest later, in his own intimate relationships. The jury is still out on that one. It may be that there are future regrets that haven't come into focus yet, or poly-specific parenting pitfalls I will really wish I had avoided once it becomes apparent I already fell into them long ago, bringing my kids down with me.
One thing I can say for certain, however, is that I do not regret involving either of my children socially in any of my relationships, or the relationships of any of my partners or ex-partners. Yes, some of those relationships have involved some drama, and even, on occasion, a bit of dysfunction. Yes, not all of those relationships have lasted. But every one of my partners, and every one of my partners' partners, has been a person well worth knowing. Every one of them has enriched my life, and therefore – either directly or indirectly – the lives of my children as well.
My perspective, Considering, is that you do not need to worry about having exposed your child to an awesome person. I think your child's bond with your ex-partner will turn out to have been a good thing, on balance. The photo that's haunting you now? The one in which your two-year-old is tightly hugging your ex-partner? That's your proof. From your perspective, it may be a painful memento, something that stirs up sadness, regret, and resentment – but I'm willing to bet that the memories it evokes for your two-year-old, if any, are basically positive. (Now, if your kid had felt uncomfortable around your ex-partner, that would be a different story. I sympathize with your desire not to subject your kid to the negative experiences you had as a child with your parents' panoply of successive partners. I think it behooves us as parents to be careful about the people we bring into our children's lives. Personally, though, I wouldn't consider dating anyone I didn't feel comfortable introducing to my children.)
I do understand why you might want to shield your child from the disappointment of bonding with someone you're dating, only to have that person up and disappear. However, losing people we love is just a reality of life. Whether you like it or not, your child is going to develop meaningful relationships with all kinds of disappearing acts: friends who move far away; favorite teachers who retire; lovers who write break-up letters; close relatives who succumb to dementia or mental illness or addiction or cancer. I believe that one of the best lessons we can teach our children is not to let fear of loss limit our ability to love. Love always entails loss, and it's always worth it. That's my opinion, anyway.
Since this post could use a bit of levity at this point, I'm going to leave you with one of those “you can't make this shit up” stories we parents love to tell about our children, this one courtesy of my daughter, who is always coming up with quotable quotes I'm way too embarrassed to post on Facebook: the other day, as I was bending over to retrieve a clean bra from my underwear drawer, Sienna observed, “Did you know that your breasts look kind of like twin baby koalas hanging onto their mama?”
The moral of this story is that no matter what you think of yourself -- as a polyamorous parent, or just as a person -- your children are very likely to have a completely different perspective. And you may or may not find it flattering.
Kids. Ya gotta love 'em.
Snickers and Doodles,
Viny
I read your post on poly and parenting a while back, and I'm writing because I hope there is room here for a real discussion about the possible drawbacks to raising kids in this setting. The truth is, while being poly is vital to my current well-being, I'm not so sure it's great for my little kid. There are the obvious extra time demands. But also, I think it can be detrimental to kids to have adults shifting in and out of their lives and homes. I say that as someone who experienced discomfort in childhood around partners of my (divorced) parents I didn't like.
I always thought I'd be the type of poly parent to be building long-term relationships involving the intertwining of families, and I didn't understand people who kept their relationships separate. After my non-primary partner and I broke up recently, I began to respect that choice more. I have this amazing photo of my 2 y.o., smiling widely, hugging my ex-partner tightly. It was taken less than a week before he initiated our break up. I am pretty haunted by that photo. I'm not blaming my ex for anything (he is an awesome person); I'm pointing out that I didn't fully understand what I was getting into when I involved my kid socially in my relationships.
Obviously, issues that are difficult for kids can pop up in any kind of relationship; poly isn't special that way. But, because poly relationships are under such scrutiny, and we feel we need to be protective and defensive and rah rah rah about them, we don't always explore the negatives. I'm not asking you for advice. I'm just wondering what your perspective is.
– Considering the Cons
***
Dear Considering,
I have an eighteen-year-old son who is getting ready to move out at the end of the summer. Whether he goes to the University of Oregon (the parent-approved Plan A) or finds a job that pays well enough that he can afford to rent an apartment with his girlfriend (the not-yet-discussed, not-so-appealing-to-his-parents Plan B), we've got another three months with him, at most. We'll still see him regularly, no doubt, but in a very real sense, we'll be letting him go.
And man, am I ever going to miss him.
Maybe because I am reaching the end of full-time, functional parenting with my son, I have been feeling nostalgic and contemplative, thinking a lot about what I have learned over the course of his childhood. What went well? What do I wish I could do over, and how would I do it differently the second time around? Questions like these aren't purely hypothetical, in my case: I also have a seven-year-old daughter. So I appreciate this timely opportunity to tackle the topic of poly parenting again, this time focusing on the possible negatives.
I do agree with you that there are cons – some of them considerable – to raising children in a poly context. And I think you've put your finger on two of the biggies: 1) parents who are trying to maintain multiple intimate adult relationships probably end up with less time for their children; and 2) poly households may be less stable, overall, because more people often means more chaos. I also think that there are cons you didn't mention in your letter, such as the possibility that children with poly parents will experience difficulty reconciling the different, and often discordant, messages they receive about love and relationships from parents, peers, extended family, and the wider culture.
I have to tell you, though, that my own personal list of parental regrets does not include anything very poly-specific. I wish I hadn't been afraid to let my son co-sleep with us as a baby. I wish I had been more patient with him as a small child. I wish I had been better about giving him permission to express his emotions, even when those emotions were hugely inconvenient for me. I wish I had involved him in more body-centered activities that he might have enjoyed, instead of giving up when he didn't immediately take to soccer. I wish I had paid more attention, been more fully present, when he used to prattle on about Bionicles or Legos or Bugdom or Harry Potter or Magic (the card game), or any of his other childhood obsessions, even though his monologues made my eyes glaze over and my brain go numb. Sometimes I think I might have been better able to focus on Denali and his interests if I hadn't been so distracted by my own interests, and it is definitely true that adult relationships have been a huge interest of mine. But I suspect that the real problem was my youthful self-absorption (I was only 22 when I gave birth to Denali), rather than polyamory per se.
I do often wonder what lessons – positive and negative – my son has learned from watching me and my husband interact, both with each other and with our other long-term partners. And I wonder how those lessons will manifest later, in his own intimate relationships. The jury is still out on that one. It may be that there are future regrets that haven't come into focus yet, or poly-specific parenting pitfalls I will really wish I had avoided once it becomes apparent I already fell into them long ago, bringing my kids down with me.
One thing I can say for certain, however, is that I do not regret involving either of my children socially in any of my relationships, or the relationships of any of my partners or ex-partners. Yes, some of those relationships have involved some drama, and even, on occasion, a bit of dysfunction. Yes, not all of those relationships have lasted. But every one of my partners, and every one of my partners' partners, has been a person well worth knowing. Every one of them has enriched my life, and therefore – either directly or indirectly – the lives of my children as well.
My perspective, Considering, is that you do not need to worry about having exposed your child to an awesome person. I think your child's bond with your ex-partner will turn out to have been a good thing, on balance. The photo that's haunting you now? The one in which your two-year-old is tightly hugging your ex-partner? That's your proof. From your perspective, it may be a painful memento, something that stirs up sadness, regret, and resentment – but I'm willing to bet that the memories it evokes for your two-year-old, if any, are basically positive. (Now, if your kid had felt uncomfortable around your ex-partner, that would be a different story. I sympathize with your desire not to subject your kid to the negative experiences you had as a child with your parents' panoply of successive partners. I think it behooves us as parents to be careful about the people we bring into our children's lives. Personally, though, I wouldn't consider dating anyone I didn't feel comfortable introducing to my children.)
I do understand why you might want to shield your child from the disappointment of bonding with someone you're dating, only to have that person up and disappear. However, losing people we love is just a reality of life. Whether you like it or not, your child is going to develop meaningful relationships with all kinds of disappearing acts: friends who move far away; favorite teachers who retire; lovers who write break-up letters; close relatives who succumb to dementia or mental illness or addiction or cancer. I believe that one of the best lessons we can teach our children is not to let fear of loss limit our ability to love. Love always entails loss, and it's always worth it. That's my opinion, anyway.
Since this post could use a bit of levity at this point, I'm going to leave you with one of those “you can't make this shit up” stories we parents love to tell about our children, this one courtesy of my daughter, who is always coming up with quotable quotes I'm way too embarrassed to post on Facebook: the other day, as I was bending over to retrieve a clean bra from my underwear drawer, Sienna observed, “Did you know that your breasts look kind of like twin baby koalas hanging onto their mama?”
The moral of this story is that no matter what you think of yourself -- as a polyamorous parent, or just as a person -- your children are very likely to have a completely different perspective. And you may or may not find it flattering.
Kids. Ya gotta love 'em.
Snickers and Doodles,
Viny
Tuesday, June 2, 2015
Am I a Fool for Opening My Marriage, Or Can I Learn to Be Okay with My Wife Having a Lover?
Dear
Viny,
I
have been in a long term relationship for the last 10 years, most of
my adult life. We are recently married, and have always been very
strong together. About 4 months ago my wife asked if we could open
our marriage and try polyamory. She also indicated that she had
developed a crush on one of our friends. I had thought about poly
before and had imagined we might end up there one day. I also
imagined that I could get some benefit from it. My wife came at it
from an angle of being in a strong place in our relationship, but
feeling like we could get more, if we opened ourselves up to love
beyond our marriage. With all this in mind I agreed that we could try
it. She had been thinking about it for a while and reading quite a
lot. Within a week she had kissed the friend and struck up a
relationship. I busied myself with reading and thinking but was not
quite happy. There was a lot of fear, jealousy and unhappiness –
too much to really get into the details, but I imagine you know the
deal. I was mainly afraid that she was so excited by this new man and
by this new lifestyle that she would realise she didn't actually need
me. She always denied this though and insisted that she really does
want me, but also wants a polyamorous relationship. At one point it
got too much for me and I asked her to call it off while I spent time
getting my head right. I also have a very stressful job that is at
its worst and is really damaging my happiness and self-esteem, and it
is mingling in with this relationship stuff to really make me an
anxious wreck. It is one month later and we have done a ton of
reading, talking, thinking, fighting, and crying, and we have also
had some good times within that. She would now very much like to go
back to her lover, and I want her to be happy. I also do feel like I
can get behind us being polyamorous, but it is very difficult to
adjust to. The feelings of fear and jealousy are stronger than ever
and I am not sure what to do. I feel so conflicted, because I want to
be the type of person who is ok with this, I want to be less jealous,
possessive and weird. I want her to be happy, and I want to be happy
too. I want to meet new people, but I am not quite there yet from a
confidence point of view. I have now told her that it is ok for her
to go back to the lover, but I am conflicted. I think that part of me
is letting her do that out of fear of her resenting me for not
letting her do it, part of me really wants to be ok with the whole
thing and thinks I can get ok with it, and part of me really doesn't
want it. I am also not sure if it is just because of who it is with –
the friend is someone I respect and feel inadequate in comparison to,
and I also have to see him quite a lot because of our friendship
circle.
Really,
I am just wondering if I am a fool for thinking that I can adjust to
this and get ok with it, even though I feel quite scared. Is it
better for me to tell my wife to break it off completely, rather than
toying with her emotions while I am uncertain? Or should I just let
it happen and attempt to sort myself out while it goes on? Any advice
would be most welcome.
-
Space Ghost
***
Dear
Space Ghost,
In
your travels through the ether, have you by chance come across an
article titled “Lasting Relationships Come Down To 2 Basic Traits”? If not, read it. It's interesting. But in case
you're not in the mood for clickbait right
now,
I'll do
you a favor and give you the Cliff's Notes version:
the two basic traits are kindness
and
generosity.
Please
keep those traits in mind as
you read on, because
we'll be
getting
back to them.
This
morning, I read your letter aloud to my husband. We were still in
bed, and I didn't have my contacts in, which meant I had to hold my
cell phone practically against my nose to read the words. Parker was
holding the sheet to his nose, as he often does when he's in bed,
awake, and deep in thought. I'm telling you this so you get the
picture: two sets of naked shoulders; two noses, both covered by
something; two sets of eyes; two heads of messy hair (his looks much
better messy than mine does, though). We've known each
other for thirty years, Parker and I: we met in sixth grade, when we
were both eleven.
“This
person sounds so much like you would have sounded, if you had written a
letter back
in the early days, when I was first with Scott,” I said.
“So, I'm curious: if you could say one thing to this Space
Ghost guy,
what would it be?”
“Hmmm
– one thing?” Here Parker's voice descended about an octave: “Dude –
it sounds like you got 99 problems, and your b*tch ain't one.” Then he
added, in his normal tone, “You did want the
ultra masculine perspective, right?”
He explained that your actual problems, as he saw them, were these:
1) your job is stressing you out and damaging your happiness and
self-esteem; 2) you don't have a crush on anyone (which
means that opening your marriage has not brought you a sense of
excitement or heightened possibility); and 3) you are using your
social network to fuel your own feelings of inadequacy, rather than
as a source of support.
So,
okay, only three problems, not ninety-nine. I hope that softens the
“tough love” blow.
Is
it possible, my dear Casper, that your relationship with your wife is
the One Really Good Thing about your life? It sounds like you've
pinned all of your happiness and all of your self-worth to that relationship.
If so, that's a BIG reason why this new development is driving you to
distraction and despair. Not because your relationship with your wife
is a problem, but because it's the only thing that isn't
a
problem. What happens if you lose your One Really Good Thing? You'll
be left with nothing, that's what. No wonder you're so scared.
I'm
not much of one for trotting out Biblical parables, since religion is a sore
subject with me (I grew up Mormon, and am still recovering), but have
you heard the one about the three servants who got different amounts
of money? Their master was going away on a business trip or
something, and he wanted them to steward his money, with the hope that they'd increase his wealth in his absence. He gave one servant
ten talents, and another five talents, and the last he gave one
talent. The guy with ten talents went and bought something, like
probably sheep (I'm getting this all wrong, but it's the basic gist
that matters), and the sheep had lambs, which he sold for a profit,
so when the master returned, he had twenty talents to show. And the second guy went and bought, I dunno, let's say grapes, and made them into wine, which he sold for a profit, so when the master returned, he had ten talents instead of just five.
But the guy who only got one talent was so worried about losing what
little he had that he buried the money – and then forgot where it was.
I
don't see kindness or generosity in that parable, but it is
a cautionary tale about what can happen when we are so afraid of losing our One Good Thing that we in fact cause our worst fears to come
true.
Here's
my advice. I think you should believe your wife when she tells you
she still loves you and needs you. I think that instead of treating your relationship with her like it's the problem, you should tackle your real problems – your shitty job, your feelings of inadequacy, your
competitive crappola – with a “can-do” attitude. I think you
should work on strengthening your capacity for kindness and
generosity in all your relationships – with your wife, and with her
new lover (who is also your friend, after all), and definitely, most
definitely, with yourself.
Whenever
you are faced with a “how
do I deal with this?”
conundrum,
and
you are evaluating possible action steps,
just
ask
yourself, “Is
this approach as kind and generous as I am capable of being?”
Telling your wife and your friend to break things off completely? Not
so much. Toying with their emotions while you are uncertain? Um,
nope.
Just letting it all do whatever it does while
you flounder and flail,
even though
that is going to make you
feel like absolute shit, because the
other guy is
better than you and beggars can't be choosers and all that? Also a
big fat “En Oh spells NO.”
You're
a thoughtful person, S.G., and you have good intentions. You're also
clearly struggling with feelings of low self-worth. That's a normal
(albeit super sucky) side-effect of jealousy, but
it
also sounds like you're self-critical even when you are not feeling jealous. Use
this as an opportunity to work on becoming a better you – namely,
someone you yourself can depend upon to be kind and generous – and
I promise you, it will get better.
Yes,
unfortunately, it
may get worse before it gets better. And after it's gotten better, it may
get worse again before it gets better again, but overall, it does
get
better. (Yes, I'm borrowing a phrase, because
it's perfectly applicable to your situation.) Please
remember that I'm
saying this as someone who has been in your position. I'm saying this
as someone who knows many other people who have been in your
position. I'm
saying this as someone who is intimately
familiar with the conflicting thoughts and emotions you describe, and
I am telling you, it
gets better.
I hope that helps.
Spring
rains & slow gains,
Viny
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